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greetings to all the lovers of the

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the sky watchers of the night

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hello citizens and welcome to unknown

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i'm jason mcclellan thanks for hanging

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out with me on june 8th washington post

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congressional correspondent jacqueline

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alemany interviewed luis elizondo the

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individual who administered the

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pentagon's now defunct ufo project

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known as the advanced aerospace threat

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identification program

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during the interview elizondo made a

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comment about china

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bringing the ufo issue to the united

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nations

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we've just announced they've established

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a new uap

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task force similar to ours and are using

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artificial intelligence to do this

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we also know that there's a play by them

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to to try

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to to lead this conversation at the

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united nations

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there have been plenty of people opining

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recently that the topic of ufos should

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be addressed at the u.n

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most people don't realize however that

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it already has been

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back in 1978. this special ufo un event

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and an associated press conference

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included astronaut gordon cooper

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and famed ufo researchers jacques valet

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and j allen heineck

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and the individual who produced this ufo

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presentation at the united nations

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is our guest today my dear friend mr lee

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spiegel

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lee it feels like it's been forever

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since you and i got together like this

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so i've really been looking forward to

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today

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how are you my friend i'm good jason

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it was it has been forever the last time

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we we saw

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each other we were in las vegas

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and you and a mutual friend of ours

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alejandro rojas the the three of us

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um were probably walking through that

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incredible

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car exhibition uh in one of the hotels

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you remember that

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i remember that and i've got i got some

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pictures to prove it

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and you and i i think i'm correct about

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this

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you and i had a buffet dinner

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in one of the hotels that night and i

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found out

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later and i think it was the same time

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that while you and i were eating

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apparently there was a ufo

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sighting above las vegas and we didn't

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i forgot about that yeah do you remember

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that now

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yeah it was in the news later and i

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don't even know

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what it eventually turned out to be but

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uh but

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i mean how could they decide to appear

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a major city like that and not let us

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know in advance so we could interview

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someone about it well i mean maybe they

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they assumed that we weren't going to be

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wasting our time at a buffet but i mean

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we were in vegas so

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well yeah but how could we not i know

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right i mean really definitely good

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times and it has been forever i mean

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that was years ago at this point that's

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but uh you know i always love jumping on

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on shows with you and and

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and doing these interview chats because

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it's just you know

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it's good to catch up it's been been a

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long time and you know there certainly

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is no shortage of ufo buzz these days

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and one of the ufo related topics that

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caught my attention a few days ago

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was this claim that china wants to bring

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the topic of ufos

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to the united nations and regardless of

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whether that's true or not

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of course it made me think of you

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because you good sir already beat him to

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the punch

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you're the only person in history to

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produce a major presentation on ufos

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at the united nations so for people who

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might not be aware of this incredible

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moment in ufo history

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or for those who haven't heard you

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discuss this before i would

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love for you to walk us through the un

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what that was and how it came together

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small task really

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yeah i i mean the the very

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first thing that i ever did in the ufo

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field was in 1975

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ago i kind of almost remember it well uh

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i produced and wrote a

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spoken word first of its kind ufo

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documentary recording do we remember

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it's interesting that you bring that up

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because we are recording this

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on saturday the 12th june 12th

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and it happens to be record store day so

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i love that you're bringing up

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this vinyl record on record store day so

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sorry continue

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is it you mean it's record store day

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where you are or is it like all over the

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world that's right

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it's all over the world it's a it's a

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day that was was sort of created i think

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back in 2007 to essentially celebrate

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records independent record stores and a

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lot of bands now do special releases of

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vinyl records on this day

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and it's very interesting but i knew

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that we had to talk about this today

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being that it's record store day when

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we're recording this

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well sure uh you know this was 1975

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and i well i don't mind telling you this

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what what i was what i was doing at the

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time

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store chains in the country called sam

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music in new york city and i was uh

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i was a salesperson there it was great

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to work there because i came to new york

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new hampshire in 1970 uh with a suitcase

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i was a folk singer and i was trying to

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make it if i knew that if i wanted to

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to get a record deal somewhere i had to

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and come to new york and so in

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involved two fishermen in pascagoula

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uh that that they had been abducted onto

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and they had a near collision with a

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i mean it was a real event this thing

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a light of green into their cockpit

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several thousand feet before it let them

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they made sure the media was there they

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wanted to tell the story and the army

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allowed them to and so i heard about

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these two stories and i went

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what is going on here just just how

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and and i decided that i i needed to

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to check into this it was like that

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light bulb

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now you're going to start looking into

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and that's what i did and i spent a

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couple of years reading

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everything i could about it and finally

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in new york and we did a pitch

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for or what i wanted to do was a

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uh because i had read about and heard

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about people

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enforcement private citizens scientists

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who had ufo encounters and i thought boy

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it would be great to hear

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from these people and so we did the

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cbs bought the idea because at the time

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in prime time television they had these

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offering to the public vinyl records the

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the great mitch miller in the game

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or the the the greatest hits of

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montevani

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and the stringed orchestra and and they

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albums during prime time and i thought

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now there's there's a place where

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if i could get a deal about doing a ufo

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documentary

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and if they agreed to let me produce and

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a 60 to 90 second tv commercial because

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that had never been done

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that would be really worth all my energy

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at that point yeah

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and and it just turned out like that

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everything happened i started

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traveling around the country the first

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person that i ever interviewed

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in my life about anything uh was stanton

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not a chance not a chance so

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we did the album i did the album came

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out in early 1976

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and then not long after that some things

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in media that i was i was paying

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uh and that was in in grenada the little

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caribbean country of grenada

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their prime minister eric gary was going

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personal ufo crusade trying to get

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other countries to pay attention to him

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and and he was hoping

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to get the un to to create a committee

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of some sort an investigation

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committee to share ufo information with

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other countries

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had he united at this point no no he

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he wasn't knighted um he was just prime

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minister eric gary and i watched

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watched him on the news and i thought

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well this is good i mean here's a guy

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who's trying to do something and

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but i also noticed that in general

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the media and other countries just

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weren't really paying attention to him

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and i thought i mean from what i can see

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he's the only game in town in town being

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new york city where the united nations

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is no other country at the time

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seemed to be wanting to be really open

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and transparent about ufos and i thought

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boy

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if i could just get to the united

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nations somehow and i found and i was

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told

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by many people at the time you you're

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crazy

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you can't just walk up to the front door

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of the u.n knock on the door and say

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hello

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may i please come in and talk to someone

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about doing a presentation here about

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ufos

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and and i knew that i would either get

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quietly escorted out or not so quietly

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arrested and told never to come back

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again

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right another said to me if you want to

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do something at the united nations

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you need to be either a member or

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citizen

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of a country that is already interested

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in this subject

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or you need to get friendly with a

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country where they can make you

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a delegate of their country in order to

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do something there and i thought well

328
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okay eric gary was the only guy

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in town like i said uh and so my my ufo

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album

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ufos the credibility factor was the name

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of it

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uh we had already had this thing done

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and out for about a year or so and it

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was doing very well

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and i decided to get friendly with

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grenada

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and what i did was to call the

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mission the grenada mission every

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country has a mission

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in new york near near the united nations

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their own offices

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i called the grenada mission got

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friendly with

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their ambassadors and said i i have an

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idea of

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something that perhaps your prime

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minister would be interested in it's

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about ufos

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i have i have a product that i've

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recently created for cbs

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about ufos and they said we'd love to

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meet you so i went to their office

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with a copy of my album and said please

355
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give this to your prime minister with my

356
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compliments and

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let him know that i think that i could

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help

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in his personal crusade about bringing

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united nations of bringing ufos

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to the united nations a couple weeks

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later i got a call

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from the ambassadors and they said our

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prime minister

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is getting ready to be knighted

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to become sir eric gary there's going to

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be a big ceremony here at the united

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nations

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we would like to invite you to the

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ceremony

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he would like to meet with you and talk

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to you about your

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your proposal i said yeah i can i can be

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there

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and that's that's how it turned out i

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saw it was my first time being actually

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inside the un

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to a pageantry of presentation

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uh with people from many different

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countries

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uh and well of course the the

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international

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buffet cuisine that that's probably

384
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the first buffet that i had that was

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almost as good as the one you and i had

386
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in las vegas imagine

387
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um but we it was there and and when the

388
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the various participants there all sort

389
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of went their own separate ways

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i was i was brought into a room

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the prime minister was brought into the

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room and they left us alone with them

393
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,880
alone with each other nobody stayed

394
00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:38,560
around to make sure

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00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:42,000
i wasn't there to do him any harm and

396
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he he said that he really enjoyed

397
00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:45,759
listening to my album

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he really especially liked all the

399
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:48,800
people who

400
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i had gathered for the album and he said

401
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what's what's your idea

402
00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:56,720
and i said well you know i said

403
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,240
well mr prime minister and

404
00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:00,240
congratulations on now being knighted

405
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:04,079
by the way i've been following you

406
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on the news and and i noticed that the

407
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:09,920
united nations in general and the media

408
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:11,920
is not really paying much attention to

409
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:13,040
you in fact

410
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,320
the media is is they tend to ridicule

411
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:18,160
things like this

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00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:21,759
here in 1978 and

413
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:24,480
and i said if you like what you heard on

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00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:25,600
my album

415
00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:27,519
i could bring some of these people from

416
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:28,639
the album

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00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:31,839
to help support your cause

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00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:35,199
if you would sponsor my proposal

419
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:36,720
and we talked about it for a few minutes

420
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:39,040
and we ended up

421
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:41,360
doing a handshake deal right there in

422
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:43,519
that room he said i would really love to

423
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:46,959
sponsor you and you know welcome aboard

424
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:49,120
and when can you start and i said well

425
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:51,600
i'm already starting i'm here with you

426
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:53,360
and what happened almost immediately

427
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:55,199
after that jason

428
00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:59,600
is the the country of grenada gave me

429
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:01,519
my own little delegates card it was

430
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,600
about the size of a little credit card

431
00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:05,520
and it was it had the united nations

432
00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:07,600
logo on it it's a country of grenada

433
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:10,319
with my name lee spiegel delegate to

434
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:12,559
grenada

435
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:15,600
which meant yes now i could actually

436
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:18,880
legitimately do something at the u n

437
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:21,839
and it was probably because of that

438
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:23,199
delegates card

439
00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:25,280
that i guess word got back to our state

440
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:26,240
department

441
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,319
and they stu at that point they knew

442
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:30,480
that i an american citizen

443
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:34,000
was now doing something for grenada

444
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:37,440
but i didn't realize any of that until

445
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:39,840
much much later and i'll get to that at

446
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:41,919
the end of the un story

447
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:45,520
uh so not only did i get the delegates

448
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:46,080
card

449
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,440
i started receiving checks from the

450
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:52,320
i guess the united bank national bank of

451
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:53,280
grenada

452
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:56,880
and this this was to to to pay

453
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:59,679
offset my personal expenses that i was

454
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:00,720
going to need

455
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:03,120
out of pocket expenses i was going to do

456
00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:04,400
some traveling around the country

457
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:06,080
gathering documents and

458
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:07,760
talking to people and just whatever

459
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,120
expenses that i would need

460
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:11,760
so that it would legitimize what i was

461
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:12,400
doing

462
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:16,480
without being a salaried employee

463
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:19,919
you know of grenada and and so

464
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:23,039
uh then for the rest of that year all i

465
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:24,720
did was to work

466
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:27,600
on this presentation alan heineck and i

467
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:29,200
met many times

468
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:32,240
and while i spent one of my

469
00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:35,440
uh trips to his home in office uh in

470
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,640
illinois

471
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:38,720
we were in his office going through we

472
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:40,400
were putting a packet together that we

473
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,760
intended to present not only to all the

474
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:44,720
countries

475
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:47,600
at the un but to all members of the

476
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,480
media

477
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,720
who would show up on the day of the

478
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:52,640
presentation which was scheduled

479
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:56,000
for near the end of november in 1978 so

480
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:56,320
we

481
00:19:03,029 --> 00:18:59,520
of documents about

482
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:03,039
ufos and and i said to him alan

483
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:04,640
this is really good stuff but you know

484
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:06,240
i'm looking for something

485
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:10,559
that that i would consider a smoking gun

486
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,679
about ufos i said

487
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:15,280
you were with the air force during

488
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:16,960
project blue book

489
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:19,520
for more than 20 years i've got to

490
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,559
believe

491
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,640
you you got your fingers at some places

492
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:24,400
that maybe you shouldn't have gone to

493
00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:27,840
but you had you had the clearance

494
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:31,120
at working with the air force and and do

495
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:32,080
you have anything

496
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,840
that you could actually give me that we

497
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,280
can use and present

498
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,919
to the un so you walked over to a filing

499
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,039
cabinet

500
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:41,360
and he pulled out a manila envelope and

501
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:43,600
he as he handed it to me he said

502
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:45,280
i i don't know if you would consider

503
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:47,919
this a smoking gun

504
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,039
but if you want you can

505
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,960
you can use it at the un i'll i'll give

506
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:54,320
you my permission

507
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,799
and and i i opened it up and what i was

508
00:20:01,630 --> 00:19:57,840
looking at

509
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:01,640
was this lengthy chapter from

510
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:05,120
1968 it was

511
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:08,080
from a textbook a science test book

512
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:09,280
textbook

513
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:12,159
that was it was edited by two air force

514
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:13,200
officers

515
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:16,400
and this chapter was the chapter 33 was

516
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,960
called

517
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:19,200
unidentified flying objects the book

518
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,080
itself was called

519
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:22,320
introductory space science it's part of

520
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,679
the physics department

521
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,679
at the at the cadet academy the air

522
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:27,120
force academy

523
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:30,400
and it was for air force cadets

524
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:33,280
eyes only and it was meant to bring them

525
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:34,400
up to date

526
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:38,240
in 1968 on what the current state of

527
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,520
interest was

528
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:42,000
in information that the air force

529
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:43,039
believed or

530
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,559
thought about ufos and i'm reading and

531
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:48,240
i'm reading all this stuff

532
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:51,919
and and it it had international

533
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:55,120
historical references other important

534
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,159
data

535
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,559
and and as i kept reading through it i

536
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:00,400
looked at al and i said

537
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:03,440
i let my language go i said what the

538
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,480
where the did you get this you know

539
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,640
uh and he said well you don't have to

540
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,000
know that

541
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:12,960
but if you like it i mean he didn't say

542
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,840
anything like

543
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:15,600
well if i told you i'd have to kill you

544
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:17,840
there was nothing like that

545
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:20,400
um he said you can make some copies of

546
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,039
that

547
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:23,600
and give it out at the u.n well i mean i

548
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,159
ended up

549
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:26,720
making about a gazillion copies good for

550
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:27,919
you

551
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:35,440
right now of what was actually in that

552
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,400
chapter

553
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:38,400
yeah it's pretty incredible yeah i i

554
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:39,600
think you're listening as i'd like to

555
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,080
hear

556
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:42,159
yeah those little things i've got it up

557
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,360
here on my screen

558
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,760
let me basically they start off by

559
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,400
saying

560
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,159
what we will do here again this is the

561
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:50,559
air force telling their cadets

562
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:53,600
right in 1968 what we will do here is to

563
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,080
present

564
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,400
evidence that ufos are a global

565
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:58,320
phenomenon which may have persisted for

566
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:58,880
many

567
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,240
thousands of years bang bang bang

568
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,960
ufos sightings not only appear to extend

569
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:05,600
back

570
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:09,200
47 000 years through time but also are

571
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,240
global

572
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:12,799
one has the feeling that the phenomenon

573
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,440
deserves

574
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,120
some sort of valid scientific

575
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:16,559
investigation

576
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:19,360
uh the most stimulating theory for us is

577
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,400
that the ufos are material objects

578
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,320
which are either manned or remote

579
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:27,200
controlled by beings who are alien to

580
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,400
this planet

581
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,480
and there is some evidence supporting

582
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:32,080
this viewpoint

583
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,679
they go on why no contact that question

584
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,240
is very easy to answer in several ways

585
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:40,080
number one we may be the object of

586
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:41,280
intensive

587
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,400
sociological and psychological study

588
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,880
in such studies you usually avoid

589
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:47,919
disturbing

590
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:50,559
the test subject's environment number

591
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:51,200
two

592
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:54,559
you do not contact a colony of ants

593
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:57,280
and humans may seem that way to any

594
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,320
aliens

595
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,360
a variation a zoo is fun to visit

596
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:04,320
but you don't contact the lizards and

597
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,520
number three

598
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,440
such contact may have already taken

599
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:08,960
place secretly

600
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,480
again 1968

601
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,400
from available information the ufo

602
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:16,960
phenomenon appears to have been global

603
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,919
for almost 50 000 years the majority of

604
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:21,760
known witnesses have been reliable

605
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,400
people

606
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,440
who have seen easily explained natural

607
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,919
phenomena this leaves us with the

608
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:29,840
unpleasant possibility

609
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,799
of alien visitors to our planet or at

610
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,039
least of alien controlled

611
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,159
ufos however the data

612
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,720
are not well correlated but but the

613
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:42,240
questionable data there are

614
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:45,679
suggests and i love this the existence

615
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,480
of at least

616
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:49,279
three and maybe four different groups of

617
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,480
aliens

618
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,559
possibly at different stages of

619
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,760
development

620
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,760
i didn't make any of this up jason this

621
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,200
is what the air force

622
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:00,240
was telling their cadets i have to

623
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:03,520
i'll have to pound that in it says so

624
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,919
at different stages of development this

625
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:08,240
too is difficult to accept

626
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,919
it implies the exis the existence

627
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:14,080
of intelligent life on a majority of the

628
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,039
planets

629
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,840
in our solar system or a surprisingly

630
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:19,679
strong interest in earth

631
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,799
by members of other solar systems

632
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,960
a solution to the ufo problem may be

633
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,000
obtained

634
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,919
by the long and diligent effort of a

635
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,159
large group of well-financed and

636
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,760
competent scientists

637
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:34,320
unfortunately there is no evidence

638
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,120
suggesting

639
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:38,240
that such an effort is going to be made

640
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,880
so you know i was so enamored with this

641
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,000
thing

642
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:47,520
that dr heineck gave me and and

643
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:51,039
we we gave it out at the um the packet

644
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:52,159
was put in front of

645
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:55,279
every every nation's chair there at the

646
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,400
u.n

647
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,240
it was given to every member of the

648
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:00,400
press that showed up and

649
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,240
i i have to tell you i thought

650
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:05,919
everybody was going to jump on this on

651
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:08,559
this one piece of evidence

652
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:11,760
but they didn't nobody did i i couldn't

653
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:12,559
believe it

654
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,000
and and i was so pissed

655
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:18,000
that nobody picked up on it especially

656
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,360
in the media

657
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,760
to even do a follow-up story about it

658
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:22,799
again

659
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,039
this was 1978 we hadn't even had a fully

660
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,480
created thing called the internet

661
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,640
at that point where you could just you

662
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:34,159
know post things and put them up for all

663
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,360
the world to see

664
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,279
no i mean this eventually appeared on

665
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,279
the internet later on

666
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,120
but but i was giving it to them i was

667
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,360
handing it to them on a platter

668
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,880
here's the other interesting thing about

669
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,960
this

670
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,039
the book the introductory space science

671
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:51,200
book with this chapter

672
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,000
uh was in 1968 shortly after that

673
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,120
the air force revised that chapter

674
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,520
and they put a new chapter in and they

675
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,960
had taken some of the things out of the

676
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,320
original chapter

677
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,799
okay and then follow a little a little

678
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:07,919
further on

679
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,120
ahead of them less than a year later

680
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,400
the air force closed project blue book

681
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:17,200
coincidence i'm not sure and when they

682
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,559
and when they closed

683
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,880
project blue book they basically said

684
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,960
folks there's nothing of any scientific

685
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,039
interest to us here

686
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,960
after we studied more than 12 000

687
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,200
reports nothing going on here of any

688
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,799
scientific value

689
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:33,200
there's certainly no threat to our

690
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,400
national security

691
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,080
and we have no evidence that any of

692
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:38,480
these objects

693
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:42,080
are extraterrestrial like wow

694
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:46,240
and now we know all these years later

695
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,919
mostly because in 2017 when

696
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,320
when the pentagon the new york times

697
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,960
released that big game-changer story

698
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,279
about the pentagon revealing that you

699
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:59,120
know we've been studying ufos for a

700
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,240
while now

701
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,919
and suddenly the navy is chasing them

702
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,840
now we've got we've got ufos

703
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,720
videos with the tic tac ufos and because

704
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,919
of that

705
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:10,240
now everybody has to suddenly realize

706
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,039
wait a minute

707
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:13,360
but they told us in 1968 that there was

708
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,240
nothing to it

709
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:16,000
does that mean they were telling us the

710
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:17,600
truth in 1968

711
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,799
no they they weren't and haven't all

712
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:22,880
this time

713
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,000
so we but we did the presentation

714
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:29,039
alan heineck and jacques valet stan

715
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,080
friedman

716
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,120
and lieutenant colonel larry coyne

717
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:35,360
from the helicopter incident were all

718
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:36,320
there as part of

719
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:38,799
my speakers to talk about what they

720
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,080
wanted to say to the u.n

721
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:44,399
when it was all over the secretary

722
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,200
general's

723
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,600
office let all the other nations of the

724
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,640
world know that

725
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:51,279
if you're interested in in working with

726
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,480
grenada

727
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,320
to form some kind of an international

728
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:56,880
committee where everybody can

729
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,320
do research together or you can at least

730
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,960
do research in your own countries and

731
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,480
share it with other countries

732
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,640
to kind of get to the bottom of this so

733
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,159
while

734
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,320
they were waiting for enough countries

735
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:12,159
to you know to kind of

736
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,279
chime in on this just a couple of it

737
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:16,640
must have been i think only a couple of

738
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,200
months

739
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:19,679
after we did the presentation uh there

740
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,480
was a uh

741
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:23,600
a political coup in grenada and sir eric

742
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,240
gary

743
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:27,520
vanished yeah he vanished

744
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,720
and and but it didn't it didn't mean

745
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,559
that the ufo resolution

746
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,720
could never happen again it just quietly

747
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:36,159
went to sleep and it's still there

748
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,440
for anyone who'd like to try it again

749
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,919
a couple of years went by and i'm

750
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,840
sitting at home watching the abc

751
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,080
news with peter jennings and he

752
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,679
announces that

753
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:50,000
under the leadership of president ronald

754
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,279
reagan

755
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:53,760
we've sent american troops into and we

756
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:54,799
have just invaded

757
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,240
grenada and i watched this on the news

758
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,039
and i thought i'm never leaving my

759
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:02,960
apartment this is my fault

760
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,399
it's got to be my fault and then

761
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,640
around the same time the kicker of this

762
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,520
is i started to lead into this before

763
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,039
do you remember do you know the name

764
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:15,039
peter gersten by any chance

765
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:18,799
i do peter gerson was at the time

766
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,840
in the late 70s he was an attorney and

767
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,720
he was

768
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:25,279
like the lead attorney for cause

769
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,000
citizens

770
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,600
against ufo secrecy right he called and

771
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,559
what he did

772
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,520
primarily for cause was use the freedom

773
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:34,799
of information act

774
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,240
to get government documents about ufos

775
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,279
and he called me one day and he said

776
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:43,520
hey i just got a batch of new documents

777
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,480
and one of them

778
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,640
talks about you and what you did at the

779
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,720
u.n but it was written

780
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,360
before you did the project i mean it was

781
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,559
just like a month or two

782
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,960
or two before the the presentation

783
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:55,919
happened

784
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:58,960
and and it names you

785
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,840
as the ringleader of this whole thing uh

786
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:03,919
would you like me to send you

787
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,279
the document i said no no no no

788
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,279
don't do that i'm coming up to your

789
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,840
office i had to get on a subway

790
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,080
go up to the bronx right across the

791
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,919
street from yankee stadium where his

792
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:18,399
law office was and i rushed into his

793
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,520
office and i said

794
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:22,000
just hand it to me i you know if

795
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:23,200
anything's going to happen to it it's

796
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:24,640
going to happen to it while it's in my

797
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,200
hands

798
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:28,080
yeah because i wanted to see this and

799
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:29,840
and it was amazing it was a

800
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,120
correspondence as i learned later

801
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,080
one of many pieces of correspondence uh

802
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,240
talking about what we were trying to do

803
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,399
at the u.n listed all the names of my

804
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:41,760
speakers and

805
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:44,559
at one point in the document it said we

806
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,360
understand

807
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,279
the person responsible for bringing all

808
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:49,200
these people together is producer lee

809
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,240
spiegel

810
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,720
how would you like us to handle this and

811
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,399
the correspondence was between

812
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,720
the american ambassador at the un and

813
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,559
the state department in washington like

814
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,840
wow

815
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:01,840
and i read this you know a couple of

816
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,960
months after our presentation i thought

817
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,440
how did i survive how did i come out of

818
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:08,640
this alive

819
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:11,360
why didn't you try and take me down i

820
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:11,840
mean

821
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:15,360
wow the only thing that i knew

822
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:18,159
that that i was being watched at the

823
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:19,200
time

824
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,200
when i knew that my

825
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,360
my my telephone line was was being

826
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:26,880
bugged

827
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,519
i could always tell if i went to pick it

828
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,799
up and make a call

829
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,480
i could i could hear this it'd be like

830
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:34,559
no dial tone i could hear some actual

831
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,519
breathing

832
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,919
and some clicks and i would hang it up

833
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,200
and then i would

834
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,039
after a while i thought no this is this

835
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,799
is ridiculous

836
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,279
i so i picked up the phone again i heard

837
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:46,799
some clicks and i heard some breathing

838
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,760
and i said into the phone listen uh i

839
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,120
know you guys are there i know you're

840
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,880
listening to me

841
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,360
i'm not making the kind of call now that

842
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:57,039
would really interest you so you might

843
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,600
as well

844
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,760
turn your tape recorders off i'm just

845
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,279
making a personal call

846
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,760
you can come back later if you want but

847
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:05,120
i'm only going to be out for about like

848
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,080
five minutes so

849
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:09,600
yeah so you know then i hung up

850
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,950
what a year that was yeah i bet doing

851
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:18,320
doing the u.n

852
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,679
um there was so so much stuff

853
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,559
behind the scenes things i i learned

854
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:25,919
along the way

855
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:28,640
that sir eric gary was not the nicest

856
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:28,960
guy

857
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:32,240
in the world i learned that people had

858
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:33,039
said to me

859
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,640
if if the prime minister invites you

860
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,960
to come down and spend a weekend at

861
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:39,840
grenada

862
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,519
you should politely decline because he

863
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,360
they said they tell they said to me he

864
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:47,120
has a goon squad

865
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,720
of sorts down there who who make people

866
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,360
vanish uh if they don't agree with the

867
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:55,519
the prime minister's points of view

868
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,919
so better to stay in the united states

869
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,640
yeah

870
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,159
i thought well okay what have i got

871
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,080
myself into but you know what

872
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:04,399
nev never would have done it differently

873
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,440
jason

874
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,679
it was it was just amazing to be there

875
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,559
to meet all these people to be part of

876
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:11,600
something that that

877
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:14,880
dr jacques valet to this day

878
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,320
says what we did there was a milestone

879
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,840
right and and and

880
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,399
to your point to your question about

881
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,080
learning that china

882
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,919
is interested in now doing something at

883
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,840
the u.n

884
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:32,240
i first heard about this a couple years

885
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,960
ago

886
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,880
when i was working as one of the the

887
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,000
producers

888
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,360
of the documentary the phenomenon

889
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,200
right that was put together by by the

890
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,279
great james fox

891
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:46,480
and james took at least

892
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,840
two trips i believe to china because

893
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:51,120
there was a big

894
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:54,720
ufo related celebration going on

895
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:57,760
on in mainland china and he videotaped a

896
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,320
lot of

897
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,880
things and he interviewed people um

898
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:01,679
china is

899
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,440
very very interested in in ufos in

900
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:07,200
they're serious there's no ridicule

901
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,639
there about that

902
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,720
they're a lot more transparent about it

903
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,280
than than we are

904
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,320
and so to to learn that china may

905
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,159
want to bring us up to the united

906
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,399
nations i think that's a great idea

907
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,800
and i have actually had some

908
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,159
conversations

909
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:26,720
with jacques valet and i've suggested to

910
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,520
him that if

911
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,560
if we can pull our energies together

912
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:33,040
i said i said to him jacques of all the

913
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:34,639
people that i had there

914
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:38,320
at the un in 1978 uh to give speeches

915
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,879
and to

916
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,280
give their points of view about ufos

917
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,119
you're the only one who's still around

918
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:46,399
the sad reality yeah and i think

919
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,599
that for your legacy in this field

920
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,679
would you like to give it another shot

921
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,520
with me

922
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,119
you know and get some other people

923
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,359
because now the climate has

924
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,720
changed so much so radically the i think

925
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,800
the ridicule factor is now almost

926
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,920
almost diminished entirely and

927
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,200
we now know that there are many

928
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,359
countries that are out there uh that are

929
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:12,640
really interested they're being very

930
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,040
open

931
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:15,200
they're working together south american

932
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,240
countries

933
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:19,200
uh the military factions of different

934
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,079
countries

935
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,480
are working together by trying to figure

936
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,000
this thing out

937
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,720
uh and i said to jacques if if you're up

938
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,680
for it

939
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,920
uh let's let's talk more about it

940
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,359
because let's get

941
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,839
more than one country to do something

942
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:34,960
about this not

943
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,240
not just one but again

944
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,760
it was just grenada i had no other

945
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,160
choice back then right you were right

946
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,240
the climate has completely changed so it

947
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,599
would be a completely different ball

948
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,880
game right now

949
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,720
um yeah let's talk about the the

950
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,000
reception and and

951
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,920
you know sort of the you know some of

952
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:54,079
the uh the feeling from other countries

953
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,880
back

954
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,119
when you did the presentation um you

955
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,359
know were were other countries receptive

956
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,040
did other countries object to try to

957
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,119
stop you how did that happen

958
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,119
well i'll get to the stopping part

959
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:06,720
afterwards

960
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:09,599
but um yes i had a chance to meet

961
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:10,560
several

962
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,760
heads of states leaders of countries

963
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,320
from around the world and and in these

964
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:17,680
meetings they said

965
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:20,960
we we don't know what these objects are

966
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,760
that are flying in our skies as well as

967
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,520
american skies they seem to be

968
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,560
almost everywhere and so we

969
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,960
we would be interested uh if there was a

970
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,079
majority

971
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,960
of countries that would want to create a

972
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:35,839
sharing

973
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:38,800
committee of ufos unidentified flying

974
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:39,599
objects

975
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,960
and so i felt i felt very uh positive

976
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,400
that something actually might have come

977
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,240
from it the only thing that that got in

978
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:48,000
its way was all of a sudden when

979
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:51,440
sir eric gary was was wiped out right

980
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,640
which which is like whoa okay i mean who

981
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:55,760
saw that coming

982
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:58,880
i didn't maybe maybe people in the state

983
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,440
department

984
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,079
and other places saw that coming i'm

985
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,000
always asking people

986
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,400
who's really in charge here of all this

987
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,200
kind of information

988
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:12,240
and so i i was very hopeful about it but

989
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:12,960
then it's just

990
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:16,160
it just went away quietly and

991
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,960
and then fast forward 30 years

992
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,520
when i was working as a writer for the

993
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:25,920
the huffington post

994
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,280
and i was writing mostly ufo

995
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,680
paranormal stories and every once in a

996
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:32,880
while

997
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,480
uh the the united kingdom

998
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:39,680
was releasing previously classified

999
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,720
ufo materials to the public and every

1000
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:44,400
time that they had new batches

1001
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,599
of reports to uh to release

1002
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:50,000
they they generally gave them to

1003
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,359
insiders first

1004
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,200
and the only person i knew inside at the

1005
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,359
time was nick pope

1006
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,880
who used to work for the ministry of

1007
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,880
defense uh in the

1008
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,880
in what was called the ufo office or a

1009
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,079
desk

1010
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:05,359
back then in the 1990s and and so he

1011
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:05,920
released

1012
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:08,240
he got the releases first and and so i

1013
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,119
knew he had them

1014
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:11,280
but then i didn't really need to contact

1015
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,480
him initially

1016
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,320
because i could just get them now as

1017
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,320
they were being released to the media

1018
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,640
so i'm reading some of some of these

1019
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,680
reports these

1020
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,320
documents and and i'm suddenly seeing

1021
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,920
something that i'm not really crazy

1022
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:24,560
about

1023
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,160
and i went to my my editor buck wolf

1024
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:31,119
and i said listen this i i think i need

1025
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,000
to change my

1026
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:34,880
attitude about the story about these

1027
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:35,520
documents

1028
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,880
because i think i need to take this more

1029
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,240
personally

1030
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,640
some of these documents are indicating

1031
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:44,560
that in 1978

1032
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:47,920
the united kingdom really tried

1033
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:52,160
their best to stop my presentation

1034
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,680
and that was like here i am that was

1035
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:58,079
30 years ago and i'm only learning this

1036
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,880
now

1037
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:01,200
by reading these documents i said i said

1038
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,560
the buck listen

1039
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,040
uh i'd like to write the story in the

1040
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:06,640
first person

1041
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,160
and because i was there basically

1042
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,079
and buck said yeah go with it run with

1043
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,079
it do it

1044
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:16,400
one of the first people i called at that

1045
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:17,119
point

1046
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,280
was nick pope and and

1047
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,880
when he's when he heard that it was me

1048
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:24,480
on the phone he

1049
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,000
he said so hello lee i know why you're

1050
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,839
calling

1051
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,680
and and i said well you probably do it

1052
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,960
might have something to do with some

1053
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:34,000
documents

1054
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,520
that have just been released by the

1055
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,359
united kingdom he says yeah

1056
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,440
yeah i got i got those those documents

1057
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:40,480
as well and

1058
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,160
and i i have to tell you lee um

1059
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,200
you you can't blame me for

1060
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,720
any of that stuff that the united

1061
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,200
kingdom was doing in 1978

1062
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,160
i had nothing to do with it lee i was 13

1063
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,000
years old at the time

1064
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,160
and so i didn't even have working papers

1065
00:40:02,950 --> 00:39:59,920
yet i wasn't

1066
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:02,960
a member of the ministry of defense

1067
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,760
i had nothing to do with this i said

1068
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,599
well nick i'm not blaming you at all but

1069
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,520
but i am going to

1070
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:12,240
let my writers know that that i've been

1071
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:13,520
in touch with you

1072
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,800
he said would it help if i if i kind of

1073
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:17,359
issue

1074
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,119
like an unofficial apology

1075
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,359
uh for what we did or what we tried to

1076
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,480
do for your presentation

1077
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:26,560
i said yeah go ahead go for it give me

1078
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:27,520
it

1079
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,319
well i i unofficially apologize for what

1080
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:32,319
my country did when i was only 13 years

1081
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,960
old

1082
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,560
and i think i published it just like

1083
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:36,960
that in my off post story

1084
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,599
but wow to realize that so back then

1085
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,040
england didn't like to have

1086
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,599
the the public information known about

1087
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:49,760
about ufos they just

1088
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,640
wanted to let it go and keep it under

1089
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,040
the carpet so to speak

1090
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,960
yeah and it's funny with with nick

1091
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,400
during that period well

1092
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,319
while these uh mod files were being

1093
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:02,720
released it seems like part of his pr

1094
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:05,760
role in that there seemed to be multiple

1095
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,480
instances

1096
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:09,119
where apologies or half apologies were

1097
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:10,160
being made because

1098
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,520
i remember also he was talking about how

1099
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,359
the wording in some of those files

1100
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,359
revealed how they were taking an

1101
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,839
active stance at ridiculing people and

1102
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,720
making

1103
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,839
you know that the language they would

1104
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:23,839
use talking about ufo buffs and things

1105
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:24,160
to

1106
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:32,560
with him that when he was working

1107
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,319
at the ufo desk back in between 1991 and

1108
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,079
93 i think it was

1109
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:41,119
he said he used to go to like

1110
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:44,720
um ufo uh symposia

1111
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,880
you know or conferences and he would

1112
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,480
just kind of look around and

1113
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,520
and and he would end up going back to

1114
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,200
to the office and he would write about

1115
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,040
them and put reports together

1116
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:57,680
and he said we we engaged in something

1117
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:58,560
called

1118
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,000
spin and dirty tricks right really

1119
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:04,160
the hell was that he said that that

1120
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,359
meant that we had

1121
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,640
we had an attitude of ridicule that we

1122
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,640
wanted to keep this stuff

1123
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,440
away from the public's awareness we

1124
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,680
didn't want to cause any panic

1125
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,760
we didn't want people to criticize the

1126
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,119
government we wanted people to just go

1127
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,960
about their daily lives

1128
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,520
and let us handle it spin and dirty

1129
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,599
tricks like whoa

1130
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,599
if it's not one thing jason it's another

1131
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:28,880
i mean really

1132
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:31,920
right it's just it's just amazing

1133
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,960
and uh and and so now we've got this

1134
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,240
thing coming up

1135
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:39,359
uh um when when are you airing this show

1136
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,560
by the way

1137
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,960
it should should air uh a couple days

1138
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:43,760
from now or

1139
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,319
maybe maybe even tomorrow we'll see okay

1140
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,359
well

1141
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,240
by the time your listeners hear this

1142
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:51,359
show

1143
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,560
we we may already have seen the the

1144
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:55,760
long-awaited

1145
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:00,560
congressional new report on ufos or uaps

1146
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,520
that's you know the latest terminology

1147
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,760
unidentified aerial phenomena

1148
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,119
big difference between that and

1149
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:09,760
unidentified flying objects

1150
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:12,400
but but as many people now know i i talk

1151
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,069
the the the intelligence agencies

1152
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:23,680
uh and the fbi and the pentagon

1153
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,359
have been working now to create an

1154
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,839
actual congressional report that they're

1155
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,079
going to give to congress and supposedly

1156
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,000
than to release it on or about june 25th

1157
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:39,119
yeah and so everybody's been waiting for

1158
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,079
that to see what's what's

1159
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:41,920
going to happen that was going to be in

1160
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:45,200
that report and about a week ago

1161
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,560
the new york times uh they wrote a

1162
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:50,560
couple of stories in which they

1163
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,839
had already been contacted or they

1164
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,960
contacted some actual government

1165
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,920
officials

1166
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,800
who had already seen the report and who

1167
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,160
are giving their opinion

1168
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,880
of what the report will probably contain

1169
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,240
and they were saying

1170
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,960
that this ufo report is basically going

1171
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,079
to say

1172
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:11,359
um and and admit and confirm

1173
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,880
yes there are strange objects in the sky

1174
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:17,119
that are that are flying above america

1175
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,480
and and they

1176
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,720
they have a technology that we don't

1177
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,960
have it's not american technology

1178
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,920
they outperform us they outmaneuver us

1179
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,560
um

1180
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:29,119
our navy pilots have interacted with

1181
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:29,680
them

1182
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:33,200
and we don't know what it is

1183
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,839
we're not saying that it's

1184
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:37,280
extraterrestrial but

1185
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:40,400
it's not you know out of the question

1186
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,760
but so with that in mind we are uh

1187
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,520
we're still looking into the possibility

1188
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:47,920
that it could be a russian technology

1189
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:51,040
or or chinese technology and this is

1190
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:52,079
where they're going to go with the

1191
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:53,440
report

1192
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,480
and and this annoys me

1193
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:59,200
to no end because whenever i hear

1194
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,240
something like that

1195
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:03,119
i come right back like i did on my show

1196
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,000
this week

1197
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,680
and and i say to to my listeners okay

1198
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,000
so if it's america saying it's not

1199
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,520
american it might be russian and

1200
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,839
chinese or the chinese are saying well

1201
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,640
it's not us

1202
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:16,800
in china it could be american could be

1203
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:17,680
russia

1204
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:20,960
my my comeback to that is okay

1205
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,550
are you hearing me everybody 1947.

1206
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,200
and that's not even where the ufo

1207
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:36,560
sightings even began

1208
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,079
historically but i'm just going to 1947

1209
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,119
when the air material command lieutenant

1210
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,720
general nathan twining

1211
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:47,280
wrote a very famous memo that went all

1212
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:47,920
through

1213
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:51,040
military factions basically saying the

1214
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,359
uh

1215
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,839
the subject of the memo was the flying

1216
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:54,720
discs

1217
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,760
because that was before the term flying

1218
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,880
saucer

1219
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:02,160
had even come out uh and according to

1220
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:02,800
lieutenant

1221
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:06,720
general nathan 20 he began his memo

1222
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,760
with the phrase the phenomenon and

1223
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:11,280
that's where we got the name

1224
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,040
for our movie from a few years ago right

1225
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,400
the phenomenon is something real

1226
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:21,359
it's not fictitious it's not illusion

1227
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:21,839
it's not

1228
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,520
delusional um objects approximating

1229
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,760
the size and shape of a disc with a dome

1230
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:29,760
on top

1231
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,880
with incredible maneuverability

1232
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:33,839
potentials

1233
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,200
especially in how they can evade

1234
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:39,119
friendly aircraft when we approach them

1235
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,720
and try to make contact

1236
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:43,520
they can come and go as they please and

1237
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,160
we don't know

1238
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:47,119
anything about them and we we highly

1239
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,000
recommend

1240
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,040
an internal investigation

1241
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:53,520
of these flying discs and so that was

1242
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,640
about the time

1243
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,720
when various things happened and we

1244
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:58,079
ended up having something called project

1245
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,119
blue book

1246
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:02,240
that supposedly was tasked with looking

1247
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:02,880
into this

1248
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:06,079
but 1947

1249
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,560
again did anybody have this technology

1250
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,560
no the things that they that he was

1251
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:14,560
reporting in his memo

1252
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:17,920
in 1947 were exactly the same things

1253
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,440
that the the navy pilots reported off

1254
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:24,960
the san diego coast um the maneuvers

1255
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,520
that these

1256
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,599
objects made what they look like and

1257
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:28,720
everything that

1258
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,160
they reported in 1947

1259
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:35,359
they're still reporting now right and

1260
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,079
you would think

1261
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,480
yes you know yes with their argument

1262
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:40,400
that you know this could be china or

1263
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,200
russia some

1264
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:44,079
some country that's leapfrog the us and

1265
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,119
technology

1266
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,599
you would think if that was in 1947 we

1267
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:49,119
surely would have seen that from another

1268
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:49,920
country

1269
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,800
by this point and we certainly have not

1270
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,079
but on the other hand

1271
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,800
it seems like the extraterrestrials if

1272
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,240
they are extraterrestrials

1273
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,079
haven't really advanced their technology

1274
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,520
if they were doing the same thing back

1275
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:03,359
in 47 that they're doing now so that's

1276
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:04,480
interesting too

1277
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:05,920
well and you know you know what i like

1278
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,119
about what you just said uh because 1947

1279
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,520
that famous year when when something

1280
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,119
came streaking out of the sky

1281
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:16,079
outside of roswell new mexico and and

1282
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,119
crash landed

1283
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,240
we we now know from many sources many

1284
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,319
credible sources that

1285
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,760
there have been other crashes here

1286
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,400
and in other countries and so my my

1287
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,079
attitude about that is

1288
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,720
well well okay if they do if it is

1289
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,800
visitors with somewhere else

1290
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,480
and they have this incredible technology

1291
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:38,480
that we don't have what's wrong with

1292
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:38,880
their

1293
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,200
i mean look it's like are these

1294
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,359
some of their ships are they would be

1295
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,040
considered the edsel

1296
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:55,589
i mean really so we don't have this

1297
00:49:04,309 --> 00:48:56,480
technology

1298
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,319
anyway what's wrong with it right

1299
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,680
maybe that's what makes it so difficult

1300
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,760
to back engineer too

1301
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,920
i i know and or maybe we tried and

1302
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:11,920
realized it sucks

1303
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,119
i i don't understand that attitude

1304
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,040
if if in fact the american military or

1305
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,680
american scientists have been working

1306
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,040
behind the scenes

1307
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:25,280
if they've got one or more of these

1308
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,400
ships

1309
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,720
at area 51 or wherever and they're

1310
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,720
trying and they've been trying to

1311
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:33,200
figure out how do they work and and

1312
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:34,400
let's as you say

1313
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,160
reverse engineer so we can make our own

1314
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:41,040
my my attitude about that is if it's a

1315
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,240
technology

1316
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,280
that we don't have what makes us think

1317
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,200
we're smart enough to figure out how to

1318
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,119
put it together right

1319
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,280
how can we think we know how to do that

1320
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:53,520
sure i i don't think we are

1321
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,599
yeah yeah not not until not until the

1322
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,680
a few more hundred years pass and we're

1323
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:02,160
in the the time zone of the enterprise

1324
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:02,960
and

1325
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,559
we really need

1326
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,720
but no we we we don't have this kind of

1327
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,680
stuff yet

1328
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:12,160
yeah and and i'm i'm comfortable with

1329
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,359
that

1330
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:16,319
when when people ask me i get asked the

1331
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,520
same kind of questions

1332
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,240
first they ask so when uh when is it

1333
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,599
going to be real disclosure

1334
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,599
about ufos and i just come right back

1335
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,040
and say to people

1336
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,599
there has been ongoing disclosure for

1337
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,559
decades

1338
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:30,880
but you gotta know where to look for it

1339
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,599
you can't

1340
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:34,400
i say to people please don't get all of

1341
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:34,960
your

1342
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,760
accurate information from just watching

1343
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:39,440
episodes of ancient aliens

1344
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:43,040
please you've got to know where

1345
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,040
to go and what to read and most people

1346
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,880
don't that most people don't want to

1347
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,559
disrupt their daily lives

1348
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,960
and i get that i'm okay with that i

1349
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,240
understand that

1350
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:57,119
uh we all have our lives to lead and and

1351
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,480
so i don't think there's going to be

1352
00:51:03,030 --> 00:50:59,760
disclosure

1353
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,040
and and and people then will say to me

1354
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,040
why why don't they just if we're being

1355
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,960
visited why don't they just

1356
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,440
show up land on the white house lawn or

1357
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,119
land in the kremlin

1358
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:14,079
and and my response to that is well we

1359
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,280
don't know what their

1360
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,680
reasons are for being here we don't know

1361
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:20,400
what their agenda is

1362
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,599
ufos uaps from from from the first time

1363
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,040
they were reported

1364
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,599
they come and go as they want they they

1365
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:29,440
do what they want they appear

1366
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:32,960
and disappear from wherever they go and

1367
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,079
if they didn't want to be seen why do

1368
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:39,280
they turn their lights on after dark

1369
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,520
yeah i mean really they want to be seen

1370
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:46,240
and so we don't know why they do what

1371
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,960
they do

1372
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,839
we're not smart enough to really know

1373
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:51,440
what's going on with them

1374
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:54,800
i'm comfortable with that too i

1375
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,280
i don't care where they come from i'm

1376
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,640
totally satisfied

1377
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,559
that that we're being visited and that's

1378
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,880
just based on almost 50 years of my

1379
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,480
looking into this

1380
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,079
so i'm not saying to people oh you got

1381
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:08,800
to look you have to spend 50 years

1382
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,990
just just a couple nights ago on the on

1383
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:17,200
the hbo

1384
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:20,720
show real time with bill maher

1385
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:24,559
uh he had on as a guest

1386
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:29,280
dr neil degrasse tyson astrophysicist

1387
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:31,839
and i think he's out promoting a new

1388
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:32,559
book

1389
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,720
ufos and bill maher said to him

1390
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,559
yeah we want to talk about various

1391
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,319
things but but

1392
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,920
you know ufos are in the news a lot

1393
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,760
lately and i want to know what you think

1394
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,880
about ufos and

1395
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,640
are we being visited and i was waiting

1396
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:48,000
for the answer

1397
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,240
and and and degrasse tyson as i guess

1398
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:54,480
believes when he says this or maybe this

1399
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,280
is what he's been

1400
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:57,760
told to say he was ridiculing he was

1401
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,319
saying yeah

1402
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,559
these navy pilots and and they've been

1403
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:02,000
claiming to see this thing like

1404
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:03,280
something called the tic tac

1405
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,680
and and then all this maneuverability

1406
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,040
and yeah you know

1407
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,839
even navy pilots are not totally

1408
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,200
reliable

1409
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,760
they they could be delusional uh even

1410
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,520
airline commercial airline pilots and

1411
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,480
i'm thinking

1412
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,960
are you kidding me you're you're

1413
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:20,640
downplaying this

1414
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:23,680
and and and i i said

1415
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,559
listen if i if i had a chance to ask him

1416
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,800
maybe i'll take a chance and try and get

1417
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:30,079
him on my show because but i don't want

1418
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,240
to get into a debate into a debate with

1419
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,559
anybody because i don't think i have to

1420
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:35,920
i don't think that

1421
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:38,960
i have to be on the side

1422
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,920
where i have to try and prove the case i

1423
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:42,640
think that

1424
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:46,160
the debunkers have to prove it on their

1425
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:47,040
end

1426
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:50,640
um i mean really i i would say i would

1427
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:51,040
ask

1428
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,880
someone of neil degrasse tyson

1429
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:57,520
have you personally looked into spend

1430
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:58,640
any time

1431
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,160
in your professional astrophysicist life

1432
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:05,280
looking into this science this topic

1433
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:05,839
right

1434
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,800
you've spoken to other scientists of

1435
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:09,440
equal

1436
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:12,880
caliber uh and qualifications as you

1437
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,440
have you spoken to any of the military

1438
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:17,359
pilots have you spoken to someone

1439
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:20,319
at the pentagon uh people who are in the

1440
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:20,800
know

1441
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:23,359
have you really taken the time to do

1442
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,720
that

1443
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:26,559
and i i think i know what his answer

1444
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:27,760
would be no i don't have to

1445
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,079
absolutely i i don't have to it's it's

1446
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:31,440
more logical to think that we're not

1447
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,319
being visited

1448
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,559
they couldn't possibly get here they

1449
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:36,160
couldn't cross the great distances of

1450
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,799
space

1451
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,960
if that's where they're coming from and

1452
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,359
and again it's like

1453
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,520
how long have we been flying in our

1454
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,680
airplanes since the wright brothers

1455
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:48,720
just barely 150 years or not even that

1456
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:49,680
much

1457
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,359
if you have any idea of

1458
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:56,079
most scientists now astronomers will

1459
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:56,960
tell you

1460
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,079
that the numbers the sheer numbers

1461
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:03,359
dictate that we're not alone

1462
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,880
because of how many galaxies there are

1463
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,280
how many suns there are and how many

1464
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:11,920
planets there are orbiting those suns

1465
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:15,280
everywhere in the universe there's a lot

1466
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:18,640
and and so for any other

1467
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:22,079
technology to develop somewhere else

1468
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:26,480
if they're only gosh if they're only 500

1469
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,680
a thousand years ahead of us that means

1470
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:31,040
they can do something that we don't know

1471
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,559
how to do yet

1472
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,720
and i'm comfortable with that it doesn't

1473
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,160
make them better

1474
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,640
than we are it just makes them a little

1475
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:40,640
bit better at doing certain things than

1476
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:41,359
we are

1477
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,880
there's nothing wrong with that that's

1478
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,480
nothing to be afraid of

1479
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:47,440
people shouldn't panic about that but to

1480
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,079
just

1481
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:51,040
out and out ridicule the idea that we're

1482
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:51,839
being visited

1483
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,119
without actually investigating it

1484
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,760
that's uh it's irresponsible and it's

1485
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:58,960
unscientific

1486
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,559
completely yeah it's it's like

1487
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,760
i don't know how much longer this is

1488
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:05,119
going to go on because i don't think

1489
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,079
we're anywhere

1490
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,520
near close to any kind of

1491
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,920
of a public announcement because it

1492
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,440
can't come

1493
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,160
from the president of the united states

1494
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:17,920
it can't come from the prime minister of

1495
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:18,480
england

1496
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:22,160
it can only come from a unilateral

1497
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,359
multiple country announcement that all

1498
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,720
countries agree on

1499
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:28,960
that's how that kind of an announcement

1500
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:29,760
can come

1501
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:33,040
the ufos the

1502
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:37,040
care

1503
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,119
we think about them

1504
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,720
because they don't have to care

1505
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:44,559
nothing's going to stop them nothing has

1506
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,280
stopped them

1507
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:48,160
except except their own technology sure

1508
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:49,760
no good point

1509
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,799
on the topic of global uh collaboration

1510
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,160
cooperation let's

1511
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:57,040
jump back to the u.n quickly and first i

1512
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:57,599
mean

1513
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,280
obviously i have to mention that

1514
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,599
you have balls my friend because you

1515
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:04,640
went in

1516
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,839
producing this un event without having

1517
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,520
done that before without knowing how to

1518
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:11,359
do it without having the internet to

1519
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,480
help you research

1520
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,400
how to go about doing that you know you

1521
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:16,640
made this happen decades ago

1522
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:19,599
and that is is truly amazing and i'm

1523
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:19,920
still

1524
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:21,760
in awe of that you know so many years

1525
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:22,960
later um

1526
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,319
so so kudos on that um but also

1527
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:29,760
i'm curious to hear what knowing today's

1528
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:30,799
climate

1529
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:34,160
and going back to the idea of revisiting

1530
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,040
a ufo

1531
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,040
presentation at the un doing something

1532
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,720
new now

1533
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,799
in your mind how do you see that that

1534
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,559
playing out what what would a

1535
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:44,720
modern day ufo presentation at the u.n

1536
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:45,599
look like

1537
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:48,720
i think it would involve uh it would

1538
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:49,680
obviously involve

1539
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,799
in order to to to make it more palatable

1540
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:54,720
to everybody

1541
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,799
there would have to be more time

1542
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,319
i mean the presentation that we did was

1543
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,160
just under two hours

1544
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,480
uh and and i think it should be a little

1545
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:05,839
longer it could be something that'll

1546
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:06,480
last

1547
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,000
a few days like over a weekend and

1548
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:12,079
there should be representatives of more

1549
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,599
than one country

1550
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:16,000
that that are willing to come out and

1551
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:16,960
talk about

1552
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:20,160
what was going on in above this guy

1553
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,640
and um there should be more people there

1554
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,319
are much more people now

1555
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:26,799
different people that are very open

1556
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,400
about the ufo subject and just

1557
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,000
some names that come to mind well

1558
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:32,319
certainly jacques valet because i'd love

1559
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:33,680
to get him back

1560
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:37,200
if possible clearly um i mean

1561
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:40,640
christopher mellon from the intelligence

1562
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:43,680
world lou elizondo who who

1563
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:46,160
used to work at the pentagon involved in

1564
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,040
charged with

1565
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,280
the behind the scenes investigations of

1566
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,400
ufos

1567
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,799
there are people in in different

1568
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,760
countries

1569
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,760
who i think would be willing to talk

1570
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,599
would feel more comfortable talking

1571
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,680
if they could do it in numbers i think

1572
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:00,960
so too yeah

1573
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:05,839
you know again in 1978 sir eric gary

1574
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,040
didn't have the international respect

1575
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,079
i don't think that more people in

1576
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,680
different countries now

1577
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,920
have i wouldn't even certainly not

1578
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:17,839
somebody to lead the charge and somebody

1579
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,880
who other countries would feel

1580
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,640
comfortable following yeah

1581
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,319
and you know what if i had if i had to

1582
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:24,079
choose i wouldn't even approach

1583
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:32,870
so that's understandable uh i mean

1584
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:33,359
really

1585
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,559
i i i think that

1586
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:38,720
there's probably there are so many more

1587
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:39,680
documents

1588
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,720
that can be given evaluated

1589
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:44,640
and even forget the documents come on

1590
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:45,839
folks

1591
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:49,520
we've only really seen three confirmed

1592
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:52,559
videos let's let's go with more videos i

1593
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:53,520
mean

1594
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:56,880
look a couple years ago when james fox

1595
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:57,280
and i

1596
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,640
were working on the phenomenon and

1597
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,559
and we spent the good part of an

1598
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:03,760
afternoon

1599
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,480
in the law office in las vegas of

1600
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,319
senator harry reid

1601
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,640
uh the former you know the majority

1602
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:11,920
leader of the senate

1603
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,720
and he he's the one who you know really

1604
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:15,599
helped to get

1605
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,319
all the money to to create this pentagon

1606
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:19,760
ufo study

1607
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,440
and and he he said to us there's so much

1608
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,440
out there

1609
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,200
the three videos that have already come

1610
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:29,440
out that's nothing compared to what we

1611
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,079
have

1612
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:33,599
shouldn't

1613
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:37,760
countries have the right

1614
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:40,480
to look at these things but no nobody's

1615
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:41,920
doing that

1616
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,480
everybody wants to be the ones who you

1617
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,839
know get the power first

1618
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,760
let's reengineer let's reverse engineer

1619
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,760
this so we will actually have

1620
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:52,160
our the first flying saucer well that

1621
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:53,359
ain't going to happen

1622
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:57,280
yeah it's not going to happen

1623
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:01,200
uh just talking to people like

1624
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:04,400
harry reid was was amazing to hear the

1625
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,520
things that he told us

1626
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:07,119
he told us things that ended up on the

1627
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:08,720
cutting room floor that never made it

1628
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,240
into the phenomenon

1629
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:13,280
uh that you know was really

1630
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,000
really interesting i mean we we weren't

1631
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:18,240
even really going to mention to him or

1632
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,040
ask him

1633
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,280
to talk about something else which i had

1634
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:23,359
wanted to and james said no

1635
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,240
let's just kind of leave it but during

1636
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:27,920
during the conversation

1637
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,280
and james was asking harry reid all the

1638
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:33,920
the right stuff reid just suddenly said

1639
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:39,349
there's a place in utah uh

1640
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,119
it's a ranch and it's it's a place

1641
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,200
and he never made he didn't mention it

1642
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:47,359
that the name is skinwalker ranch

1643
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:49,520
so but this is there's a ranch there on

1644
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:50,799
which

1645
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:53,599
almost every paranormal phenomena that

1646
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:54,880
you can think of

1647
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:57,440
has occurred and there have been teams

1648
01:02:05,510 --> 01:01:58,799
of scientists

1649
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,520
robert bigelow who's

1650
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,440
under contract with nasa to build new

1651
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:08,880
space modules and

1652
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,720
and he created this this whole um

1653
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,880
organization of scientists and one of

1654
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,640
the first scientists there

1655
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:19,039
was jacques valet the first the first

1656
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,319
person who

1657
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:22,799
who spent the night there at skinwalker

1658
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:23,520
ranch

1659
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:26,640
uh who was with uh

1660
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,640
with bigelow when he bought the ranch

1661
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:30,640
from the owners who had to leave because

1662
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:31,760
they couldn't stand it

1663
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:35,039
anymore uh was former

1664
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:39,280
army retired colonel john alexander

1665
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,559
and and he he he was

1666
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:45,200
he wanted to not only did he see the the

1667
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,559
the changing of the guard from the

1668
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,000
ownership of the ranch from one person

1669
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,680
to robert bigelow but but he insisted

1670
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,359
john insisted on spending the night

1671
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:55,599
there alone

1672
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:58,240
he's the kind of guy where in the 1960s

1673
01:03:02,069 --> 01:02:58,799
he was an

1674
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:02,079
a-team commander i mean it's like if you

1675
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:04,160
want to be anywhere in a jungle during a

1676
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,640
war

1677
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,799
he's the kind of guy you want to be with

1678
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:08,400
you know he could get you through

1679
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:09,280
anything

1680
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:12,079
and he he spent the night at skinwalker

1681
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:12,480
and

1682
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:15,039
there were things that that freaked him

1683
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:16,400
out a little bit too

1684
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,920
and and he and i have talked about it

1685
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:19,920
and i i had him on on

1686
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:22,640
my show again about talking about these

1687
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:23,839
things and he

1688
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:26,960
uh he's a no-nonsense man

1689
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:29,520
and he wrote an amazing couple of books

1690
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:30,799
about ufos

1691
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,000
absolutely everybody by surprise uh

1692
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,559
and and he's the kind of guy that says

1693
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:38,319
if there's something

1694
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:42,079
paranormal going on at skinwalker ranch

1695
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:45,440
or somewhere else we need to study it

1696
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,640
instead of make fun of it that that

1697
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:49,920
attitude shift

1698
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,119
has to change in order to to make the

1699
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,960
public realize that

1700
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,520
we're not alone we could be getting

1701
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,880
visited by someone

1702
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,799
uh who's just on the other side of an

1703
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,160
invisible

1704
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,400
you know plane of existence right you

1705
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,240
know or dimension

1706
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:08,480
there's so much out there that we don't

1707
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:09,599
know

1708
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:13,039
and i i i hope but i don't think it's

1709
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:13,839
going to happen

1710
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,280
uh that will know about these things in

1711
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:17,839
my lifetime uh i i just

1712
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,960
i don't feel that positive about about

1713
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:22,640
how transparent this information is

1714
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:25,039
going to be and when it can come out

1715
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:28,400
yeah that's a a realistic view and uh

1716
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,160
you know certainly one that from

1717
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:32,000
somebody who's been in this field for so

1718
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:33,359
long and looking into the

1719
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:36,400
the strange subjects like this um

1720
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:39,599
yeah i i share that view

1721
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:42,160
as well uh we're we're past an hour here

1722
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:42,880
lee so

1723
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,559
we should probably wrap up our

1724
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:46,319
conversation for today

1725
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,680
but you've mentioned your show a couple

1726
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:49,680
of times please do tell us the name of

1727
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,680
your show and how people can listen

1728
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,760
to your fantastic show the name of my

1729
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:54,720
show is

1730
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:58,480
edge of reality radio it's a resurrected

1731
01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:01,440
version of the first talk show that i

1732
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:02,240
did

1733
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,880
um almost 30 years ago more than 30

1734
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:06,960
years ago on nbc radio

1735
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:09,280
called media what's that yeah i know

1736
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:11,119
what's radio right

1737
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,240
i did the edge of reality uh for nbc

1738
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:17,440
and then when i was approached

1739
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:20,880
a few years ago by kgra

1740
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:23,440
digital broadcast network to to come on

1741
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:24,720
and do

1742
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:27,359
a new show uh i said okay but i'd like

1743
01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:28,000
to call it

1744
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:30,319
edge of reality again because i may

1745
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:31,440
still have some people out there who

1746
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:32,960
used to listen to that show

1747
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,760
i want to keep the listeners out there

1748
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:37,200
and

1749
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:40,640
uh i instantly did a um i went online to

1750
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:41,359
do uh

1751
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:44,319
a domain name search for edge of reality

1752
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:45,680
and

1753
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:50,799
from from the south to calling

1754
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,960
themselves edge of reality and it's a

1755
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:54,079
good bad name

1756
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,200
damn right i guess uh

1757
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:59,680
and and it was my it was my lovely wife

1758
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:00,880
and muse

1759
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,640
lorraine who said to me you know

1760
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:06,480
why don't you go go back online and do

1761
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:08,480
another search and look for

1762
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:13,200
the words edgeofrealityradio.com

1763
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,559
and i did and i found it and i bought it

1764
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,319
way to go lorraine all right it just

1765
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,920
kind of rolls off the left edge of

1766
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,440
reality radio

1767
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,440
and and so that's that's the the name of

1768
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,440
the show i'm on kgra

1769
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:27,599
db if anybody's interested in hearing

1770
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:30,480
the show it's on every thursday evening

1771
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,240
uh from 8 00 to 10 p.m eastern time

1772
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:35,920
so you can go ahead and figure out when

1773
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:38,000
you can hear it um

1774
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:41,200
as i said just you can just google kgr

1775
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,160
a db.com it'll take you right to the

1776
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,559
kgra page and you can

1777
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:48,240
look at the archives and just see all

1778
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,079
kinds of things about the show

1779
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:52,960
so i'm glad excellent doing it again

1780
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:54,160
yeah that's exciting

1781
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:56,240
well i sure do miss getting into trouble

1782
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,000
with you lee whether it's been in

1783
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,319
phoenix or new york or las vegas you and

1784
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:02,160
i have had some great fun over the years

1785
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,440
conducting our

1786
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,160
covert ops together i really miss that

1787
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:07,920
so i can't wait till you and i find

1788
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:10,000
ourselves in the same place again so we

1789
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,559
can uh get into some more trouble

1790
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,160
well i think you'll be the kind of guy

1791
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,079
that i'd like to do that with

1792
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,520
i i mean because you could you've got

1793
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:19,359
the look

1794
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,960
that i i always thought that

1795
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:24,559
the the visitors would probably really

1796
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,599
be attracted to you much more than me

1797
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:29,200
well i don't know if you would have as

1798
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:31,839
much luck with me as you did with

1799
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,400
uh robin leach you know robin leach is a

1800
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,079
is probably a better buddy to go

1801
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:38,960
ufo hunting with and you did that so i

1802
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:39,760
did the late

1803
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:42,559
great lifestyle of the rich and famous

1804
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,119
man

1805
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:45,359
robin leach yeah we were we were friends

1806
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:46,640
for over 40 years

1807
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:50,000
right and i miss him a lot absolutely

1808
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:51,920
well you and i can certainly do it

1809
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,319
um i don't know if if i have the look

1810
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:56,240
they're looking for but we can certainly

1811
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,359
uh use me as bait i'm on game oh oh yeah

1812
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:01,440
i use you as bait at the end of a long

1813
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:02,880
strong fishing pole

1814
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:06,240
right yep all right lee

1815
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:07,839
thank you so much buddy i appreciate you

1816
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:09,440
taking the time to hang out today

1817
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:11,200
thanks jason thanks for having me on we

1818
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:13,280
can do it again

1819
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:14,720
well citizens that's going to do it for

1820
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,880
this episode is it lee awesome

1821
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:18,719
i love that guy if you want to learn

1822
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,799
more about lee and his incredible career

1823
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:22,400
in the strange world of unexplained

1824
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,600
phenomena check out his website at

1825
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,239
leastbeagle.com

1826
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,080
you can find more episodes of unknown on

1827
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,920
all the major podcast platforms

1828
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:31,440
and you can always find the show and our

1829
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,759
other shows at rogueplanet.tv

1830
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,199
because unknown is a rogue planet

1831
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,679
production rogueplanet.tv is your home

1832
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,839
for all the strange thanks again for

1833
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:41,920
hanging out today i'm jason mcclellan

1834
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,759
do us a favor friends always treat the

1835
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,279
ufo subject with the cautious and

1836
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,520
responsible skepticism it deserves

1837
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,759
question everything have the courage to

1838
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,279
form your own opinions

1839
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:53,520
keep truth as the focus of your quest

1840
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:54,560
even if the truth